Two Cowboys, One Bigfoot

All right, Michelle. So I don't know if you believe in Bigfoot, but I have some cases for you today. Okay, I'll listen to your evidence. Welcome to Scary Mystery Surprise, where we talk about scary things that surprised us around the internet. I'm Edwin, I'm Michelle. You know. With Bigfoot. I'll be brief here, but I wrote down a little summary. Bigfoot is also known as sasquatch, a large creature that can walk on two feet. It's seven feet tall, although some say that it's between ten to fifteen feet tall. It's muscular, and it's covered in dark hair. Jesus fifteen feet. I feel like we all know someone like that. We all have that friend. If you're that person, it's all right. If you don't know that person, you are that person anyway. People say that it has broad shoulders, no really long arms, and that its eyes glow yellow or red. Before you say anything, I know that it sounds like a fake thing, right with those eyes. But think about cats, right cats their eyes, or about how you come out in your pictures, like red eyes. People say that they're actually seeing some animal or mistaking it for this thing. Scientists always getting in the way they always ruin stuff for us. Yeah, I feel like we're in a battle, like a constant battle of just all this stuff that we want to talk about and that it's true. They're just like, nope, nope, not today. Yeah, they say that people actually see an animal, that this is it's a mistake, it's not bigfoot, That it isn't even the proper place for one of them to survive, like they need tropical things like an ape cannot survive out in the mountains of California. Also that the footprints DNA remains, photograph, video, pretty much everything can be disproved. No one's ever gotten like a class photo of a bigfoot. There's still HD footage, right yeah, like four K three dimensional light ar or whatever. Anyway, But if you ignore all the scientific proof and explanations, like we'll do for the rest of this episode, and that's how I choose to live my life, we'll see if I can make a case for Bigfoot right here, Okay, I'm ready to listen. So there have been over ten thousand reported sightings in the United States, Wow, and one third of these have been in the Pacific Northwest. Of course, and in researching this for another Scary FM podcast. I found several cases. Actually Maddy founds ocase, Thank you Maddie. In a probo canyon, Utah in twenty twelve, a man was camping out with a group of people. He was near Squaw Peak and Little Row Canyon overlook, and that's when he saw a deer. You know, if you see a deer, what happens. You take out your phone, You try not to scare it away. Well not if you're a hunter. Right. They walk up to the hill, they try to get closer to the deer. Oh Jesus, and that's when they suddenly see what looks like a bear, and then it stands up and looks right at them. They say that the thing was so large that they still can't say for sure that it had actually been a bear. Wow, now after finding out you know more about bigfoot and creatures and how tall a bear can actually stand, they say that this thing could have been a bigfoot sighting. Again, the parties kind of like, some say yeah, some are like, I don't know. I don't want to be made fun of. That's like the big debate, Like when you see a ghost, you don't want to tell anybody, depending on who you are. You either tell no one or you tell everyone. Just backed what team are you on? Yeah? What team? I think you know what team we're both on. All right, So there's one right, so we have and ninety nine left. So here's this. One patrolman for the US Forests named Paul Freeman claimed to see a family of bigfoots in Washington. I want to say big feet, but bigfoots, right, A family of big feats. That's my family anyway. He claimed to see a family of bigfoots in a big feat in Washington's Blue Mountains back in nineteen ninety four. He caught them on camera, and even though the video is grainy and just looks terrible, bigfoot experts believe it. One. But people start going after the person's credibility all that, so it gets it turns into a controverse. They find out like not about this specific person, but they find out like have you lied before about something else? Are you working on a movie? Yeah? People really go after big foot supporters. They really rip them apart. It's not fair, but there are hoaxes out there, so I guess it makes sense. But I found this other one. It's actually of the Tampa skunk Ape, which is kind of like the Floridadized or Floridized first Florida. Does it smell like a skunk? They say that it's stinks. Yeah, they say that it's stinks. Ew. I looked at it at an image of what this is supposed to look like, and it's yeah, it's creepy. It's like this scary, creepier looking ape. Creepier than a regular bigfoot. Yeah, Like I think Bigfoot just looks angry, but this other one just looks evil. It's just I'm gonna eat you, like it shows its teeth and everything. But anyway, this one guy, Matthew McCamey, was out with his friend on a canoe in the swamp and let Us Lake Park and that's whenny they happened to see what looked like a bear just hanging out by the trees by the edge of the water. But you can see I saw the video. It's actually this. It looks like a bear, but it's weird because it's walking and it's like hitting the water. Anyway, experts like in animal animals and zoos and stuff like that, they looked at it and they're like, yeah, this is what an ape behaves like, so it's weird. It's just it's odd. One of the friends that was with there were two of them, so one of them doesn't even want to talk about it. They actually gave the footage away to have it analyzed, and its authenticity is being debated because it came around the time when David Sheeley, who was this other guy, we got this really convincing video supposedly of a creature that was roaming around the swamp area around that time. Though they say that there was this movie being made about the thing, the oh yeah, the ape, so they think that it was simply an elaborate hoax. There is just a safety issue where it's, oh, we're just gonna make a hoax video, so you're gonna go crawl in this water that's like there's alligators and poisonous snakes and but yeah, we're gonna make a really good hoax video. It would be risky. You'd you'd have to be really dedicated. Yeah, you'd have to be like a teenage boy, not very smart, but like very daring and like really dedicated to making a prank that's like a real specific teenage boy move. Yeah, I don't know, like I've seen worse things on tiktoking people jumping off things and doing dangerous things and stuff. I don't know. I don't think. I think we can talk about Bigfoot though, without at least mentioning the original video. I don't know, you ever seen that the Bigfoot walk, Like he's just like I think I have, Yeah, the big wa Yeah, he's on I think it was on Unsolved Mysteries back in the day, so I think I remember watching it on there. But it's it's pretty classic. Yeah, And I know you can't see Michelle right now, but she was doing the motion with the r like swinging arms. It's kind of like the Beatles on the Abbey Road album. It's the same. Yeah, Bigfoot's doing the same walk. Yeah, that's probably the most famous one, right, Like this is the one that the thing that's been printed on T shirts, Kai Chaine's posters. This has a huge fan base, by the way, just the creature itself and the people who caught the that video, who actually filmed it. Do you know a lot about that, Michelle, like the actual recording of it. No, I don't. Yeah, I don't think a lot of people do. And I didn't know either until I found the the article about one of the guys who was still alive. When was it shot again? Like it was nineteen sixty seven. This was super interesting because it's some background stuff that not a lot of us know about. So it just I dove in and there's obviously a lot more information than when I'm about to say. But here's like the idea the film itself, Like the video is just under sixty second, I think it's almost at a minute, and it's one of the most scrutinized pieces of video footage ever made along the you know, the assassination of the president. It's just been looked over and over analyzed, like the original ones been copied, and people just try to remake that same post walking in that same area, making sure that it's what would another creature look like? What about a person in a costume? What would they looking? Right? So, anyway, this writer for Outside magazine made this really cool piece on one of the guys that filmed, and he told that other side of the story. And here's how the thing was recorded. First of all, it was the fall of nineteen sixty seven, and two cowboys were riding all day long, along Washington's Apple Country, and they had at one point been in the forest of California. Like they were cowboys, like I think, not just wanna beat, but they were actually experiencing the outdoor stuff, horses and doing daring things, taming them like they your type of guy, Michelle basically, yeah, Zach begets on a horse. Yeah. And they were in search of footprints that kept being found right like around this time, there was this kind of craze like they were like, were keep finding these footprints or know what they are? So people were taking these casts of the footprints, and obviously people were interested in that. So these two guys they're like, all right, let's go. So they're running around sunrise to sunset doing all that outdoors and stuff. And so in late October near Bluff Creek, they were on their horses and the horse is freaked out because they had seen something. And animals they have a different Yeah, they have senses are heightened. Look at Robbie, he's practically a psychic. Yeah. Can you see him? Oh no, he's trying to eat the rug right now. So these horses they're freaking out. They're like, Wow, something's happening. Blah, blah. And then they both see something and less than one hundred feet away they see a gorilla like figure standing upright, and it's walking around with its long arms swinging like you said, doing the Abbey Road cross that image of the Beatles on the crosswalk Avy Road cover. It's the Abvy Road album cover for our listeners. And yeah, they're doing that. And as the article so masterfully puts it, breast exposed, Roger Patterson, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait hold the phone. The thing had its breast is exposed, like its nips were out. What's hard to understand, Like it was a woman more like it would just had its Wait, I'm just I just love that that was put in the article like that. It's like one of those you know when they make fun of male writers writing like a romance novel. Its honkers were out, and of course the cowboys loved it. They of course stopped their horses immediately and they were like, ooo browing, who is that over there? Oh man? Okay, So that just SE's a whole different story of what I had in mind. Now I'm just like this jazzy like sexy music comes on. So Roger Patterson got off his horse. Wow, this became an erotica podcast really fast. So we have a pretty easy transition. Two cowboys. One bit for he grabbed his camera. Oh my god, there's no way this isn't a porno. Oh my god. I don't want to read the next stuff because just he keeps adding to it. Oh no, oh no, its worded. One hand on his camera, held it and he stopped and held it firstly, hold on, let's just go back. Oh man, making my chest hurt. One hand on his camera, one other head firmly. All right, all right, oh man. B but they're out in the wood. There's like this clearing. So he yelled for Bob gimbling. Right, so there's two these two guys by the way, it's Roger Pans and Bob Gimbling. And he's like, hey, Bob, cover me. The other guy takes out his gun. This is Bob. He's hey, he takes out his gun and just in case the thing ran after them or whatever. Right, so just with its tits like flailing in the wind, while it's like, yeah, well, it's like the bounce as it runs after it's slow motion. It's just going away in slow motion, doing the walk like the supermodel turns its head winked. I just lie. I never knew this was a female Bigfoot. I feel very excited and empowered. And the most famous footage of Bigfoot was of a female Bigfoot, So I'm glad you feel that way. Yeah, it's one for the team representation. It matters. So anyway, Patterson partnered up with someone to take the video and display it all over the country, and they were gonna get money to fund another expedition, so they were dedicated. So again, they did have an incentive to fake it. I guess if you wanted to think of it that way. They wanted money, but they wanted to use that money to go back into to find it supposedly. So that makes you wonder was it a hoax because if you want, like, why would you do all that? Okay, you caught it once, now you want to find it again, but with a bigger expedition. To me, that makes sense. Yeah, with Patterson and the other guy, and when they were discussing all this stuff, by the way, that was his I think his brother in law, Bob Gimblin, was like, man, forget you. I don't feel like I'm being a part of this and for less than ten dollars. According to the article, he sold the rights of that thing all whatever they were doing with that film to another Bigfoot researcher who gladly took it and was like, of course, Bob probably went out and bought I don't know, back then, what could you buy it in book? Today you could buy a carton of eggs. But back then, back then, if he bought ten cartons, that's how how much inflation there is now we could have gotten ten cartons of eggs for ten dollars back in the day. I wasn't alive in the sixties. I don't know. Oh bit. So the pair actually didn't speak to each other that well since business business got in the way. So grew apart for five years actually, And imagine this film is going around the world or whatever, like going around basically maybe around the world. Yeah, and they're just like not having it. They're just like whatever. Obviously Bob's can't be a part of this legally. Now, I sold my rights and the other two are like taking advantage of all this stuff. So well, wait, one of the people that's still taking advantage of it is the guy that filmed it, right the guy that filmed it was Patterson. Supposed he left the he stayed with the other guy. Okay, Patterson and some other guy, and then Bob was the one that was that held the gun out to protect him. Okay, gotcha. The pair didn't speak to each other, and eventually Patterson was like on his deathbed, like he was dying of cancer at age thirty eight. Oh damn, it's really sad. Yeah, super young. And he was like, all right, I'm sorry. He apologized to Bob. He's like, I'm sorry for not making you feel a part of this. And you know, they just sold your rights. And now I'm imagining it as super super dramatic, but basically he said, when you get better, we're gonna go back to California and we're gonna find Bigfoot, all right. And you know they're just like, okay, just get better, all right, okay, And he just died the next day. It's tough. That's tough. Don't crime Mishell, Like, don't out my emotions on the air, how dare you? But you know what I find is super super interesting is the conventions and all the stuff that Bigfoot became after that, right, and came this awesome American thing, right, like burgers and balt eagles and stuf Off like and hot dogs and hot dogs. Yeah, like it's just there, you go, bigfoots is there. It's like one of those icons and I like that, which is funny because hamburgers and hot dogs are German. Technically I was gonna say pizzas too, but those Italian we don't have anything. But anyway, there's bigfoot conventions and bigfooters, as they like to call each other. Maybe there's other names. I'm not a part of that, so I don't know. It might be fun to go to a bigfoot convention sometime. It would be fun because it would just be like, what is this? Yeah, I don't know. That'd be cool. I might become a bigfooter or something like I'm gonna write down Bigfoot convention on my list. Cool. These people out that go, they're little like fanatics, and there's the obviously some of them have a scientific approach to stuff too. To actually prove the existence of bigfoot. They're happy to retell their stories and tell stories of their encounters and all that stuff, and proof and and all this stuff that since there's so many hoaxes and fakes and all that stuff. It's hard to know what's true and what isn't. So they just keep putting out this awesome evidence and people are just like, Ah, that's wake men in a costume. Yeah whatever, Oh that's another another porno attempt that's not authentic because their tits aren't big. So that's how you know a fake. When people meet Bob Gimlin, they're like, they say that it's like meeting I don't know, like your favorite celebrity, like the president. You know this wild I don't know, like the techies. It would be like meeting Elon Musk or for you, I don't know, Oh, Zach Begans, come on, I fed you that earlier. Come on, you can do it. I'm not looking at you looking at me like other than say Harry Styles when I stopped because I saw that look for me. I don't know, like I think, I don't know. I always think of maybe there's like dead authors that I know I would have love to meet. Oh yeah, and all these writers and stuff. But now I don't know. That's funny. I guess it's if you were going to have a dinner party and you could have whoever dead or alive come wait, who would be your number one? For me? Edgar Allen Poe would be like interesting, But what if he was like not? He was like a raging drug addict, So what if he wasn't like nice or coheres. Well, he doesn't have to be nice. He doesn't have to be you know, he doesn't even have to be all of ayre. I think that's what it makes a person. And I think just being able to I don't think of what he would say necessarily. I just want to know what he was like. Was he a drunk all the time? Did he cuss? Did he I wouldn't be able to tell because if it's old English or whatever, I won't know. There's just something about that Edgar Allan Poe. I'd also like to I don't know. There's other I don't know, just old leaders from like some other civilizations back in the day. I don't I'm not a big history person like you, Michelle, so how about you. You know, it's weird because I've been industry adjacent for a long time. So it's like a lot of people be like an actor or like an artist, like I know how a lot of those people are generally like. So a part of me, would I have dinner Like, yeah, I don't know off the top of my head, because I maybe like someone who's actually seems kind like mister Rogers or something like maybe something like that, like where it's like you could actually glean stuff from someone who's not who managed to do something very groundbreaking but also be a good person. Uh huh, hey get it. A lot of people aren't good people and at some point, I don't know if there art like makes up for that. If you're having dinner with John Lennon, everybody goes through the phase where they realized John Lennon was like an ass like he was just like an asshole to his first family. He was like he would beat his wife up. There's like just things where you're just like, let me just check them off. Let me like you just come through it and you're like a, I don't know if I want to have dinner with anyone now. Oh man, So that's how you told me that about Edgar Allen Pok. I think maybe like Mark Twain. I like Mark Twain a lot. Mark Twain, that'd be I think I'd mean it. I think it'd be interesting to meet up with him. I'd also love to have dinner with Courtney Love even though I know she's crazy, but I love her anyway because you already know because she wasn't in public. Yeah, and she's definitely in public, oh man. Anyway, So this Bigfoot thing, theories as to where it lives, what it wants, and why it doesn't seem to disturb many people are out there. So even though so much talk about its existence is out there and continues to develop, and experts have theorized even on its family dynamics and stuff like that, we do have to admit that there's lots we don't know about the woods and creatures that live in it. Isn't that the worst phrase you've ever heard, That there's a lot of things we don't know about the woods. That is, like Jesus fucking grit chill, so many things you don't know about the woods because the woods are like for me, one of the fears. When I get asked about what I'm afraid of, I say darkness. But not like the darkness of being without light necessarily, like you turn off the light in a room, not about that, but like huge empty spaces like caves, or you don't know what's there, like beyond a certain area of the house, and that really creeps me out. Like I think the woods it does. It has that right, like when you see like the trees are so thick, like you can't see past a certain part. That's what I would say is one of my fears. Just in the trees. It always just always feels like something's looking back at you, like every just oh, I can't imagine that when I think when you're a kid and you're looking out a window and you see just darkness in trees, I can't. I cat no, thank you. So I think in some way, I think the whole Bigfoot phenomenon everything, so in all that darkness and all these things that we see, like we do have kind of a reminder, right, people keep trying to find this creature out there and they can'ts And I think it just doesn't want to be bothered, right, Like some things like our forest are better the way they want to be completely undisturbed. Love it. I mean, have you heard that theory that it's an interdimensional being? Yeah, and so it blinks in and out of reality all the time, and that's why no one's ever found any evidence. Yeah, I think you mentioned it like in some message somewhere and I looked into it and I'm like, wow, isn't that weird? Yeah, there's even like that it's not from Earth. Yeah, it's why I be an alien. I think I go with it. Like string. I think I'm a big believer in string theory about like parallel dimensions. And if it's an interdimensional traveler that just doesn't want to be interacted with, or I just thought of something. What if it's an experiment from like aliens who are trying to make a human or like something that you know and it's out there that's a good story and they got it wrong and it escaped or something. I don't know, Like, well, I love that that's a good that would be a good scary story. That's a good premise for a story. Super creepy, man, I don't know. And there's other things too that I found. That it lives underground, that it lives in caves, and it's so well hidden that it has other It also has like other senses that knows when a person's around and they just don't want to be found. Like the purpose is just to hide and we're over here ruining it, just trying to find them, of course, like we truly ruin everything. It's really our gift as humans to really figure out how to ruin. That's what we're here for, to just end our own species. We're so good at it, oh man. But overall it's a good It's a very mysterious creature that I think it's I don't know. I would like to catch a picture of it somehow or try to, but they want to hear what it looks like and what it's capable of doing, and suppose that they can snap trees and stuff. And of course, if you're gonna go like the dark route, think about all the people that disappear in the woods and are never seen again. It's like one of those things where, yeah, of course someone could just fall down a canyon and they never get eaten by animals or whatever, and no one ever knows what happened to them. But could some of them also have been killed by a bigfoot and just disappeared that way? We don't know. Think we should all have body cams. I mean, let's just all embed cameras into our bodies. We are never everyone always knows what's happening with you and with them. And Facebook has joined the chain. I mean Instagram's listening, so it's fine if the ads I'll get on Instagram today will be very strange. Bigfoot tours, special holiday, special winters, Bigfoot tour, travel to the Northwest. I want to go to a convention, so yeah, I think a convention would be fun. I'd be down to go with you to at convention. So yeah, that's all about bigfoots. If you have questions or anything else about weird strange creatures in the woods, I want to know about it. Dm us on Instagram. Yeah, have you ever seen bigfoot? Where are my Northwesterns who've had some weird experiences with the bigfoot thing? Let us know? Tell us dm us email us. We read everything. We have had some emails from people from the Pacific Northwest area, which is right. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Or if you've been around that weird skunk ape in Florida. I know I made fun of Florida earlier. If you send us some stuff, prove me wrong, prove me wrong. What are we going to talk about next week? Then, Michelle, I think it'll be a surprise. Dang it, all right, see you guys, See you guys. Bye.